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  1. Avatar photo Louis Johnson
    December 27, 2010 @ 8:15 am

    God’s Rains Fire on the “Dead Bodies”

    Great presentation! I would love to use it on my radio program called “The Larger View” here in Australia, if you wouldn’t mind? Also, would you please clarify the idea that the “dead bodies” of the unhealed will be consumed and that they will no way be alive when the earth is being cleansed? I’ve thought about this a lot and I imagine that Isaiah 66:24 is in some way a clue, but I am not sure. Thanking you in advance.:)
    (Cairns, Queensland, Australia )

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    • Avatar photo Ray Foucher
      December 27, 2010 @ 8:16 am

      By all means, Louis, please do share this truth in whatever way you can. This message showing that God does not personally kill or destroy the lost reflects very well on His true character and will help people to see Him in a new light. Of course, if there is any way you can do it, I do appreciate a link or reference to my website as that helps to connect more people with this truth.

      You asked about the verse:

      “And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.” (Isa 66:24)
      Such passages need to be understood in relation to the prophecies made concerning the future of Israel as far back as Isaiah’s time. These are covered in a series of pages beginning at: http://www.jesus-resurrection.info/israel-prophecy.html

      It is fundamental to understanding the Bible that God’s promises and warnings are alike conditional. We so often skip over that little word “if.” When God makes promises such as those concerning the restoration of the kingdom of Israel and it is clearly conditional, then if the conditions are not meet the promises do not happen.

      However, sin will finally be dealt with and the earth will be restored to the Edenic state:
      “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. … And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” (Rev 21:1, 4)
      As to the worm not dying or the fire not being quenched, these descriptive terms need to be properly understood. Looking at the Hebrew words used, we see that both expressions are in the simple imperfect tense meaning that at that point in time the action is not yet complete. A good example is where Gen 2:25 says that Adam and Eve “were not ashamed.” It does not mean they will never be ashamed and, of course, they later were as seen in Gen 3:7.

      We also need to correctly understand “unquenchable fire.” Logic says this is a fire that cannot, humanly, be put out such as the fires of the twin towers on 9/11. But any fire goes out on its own when the fuel in consumed – that is the nature of fire.

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    • Avatar photo Louis
      March 2, 2012 @ 8:16 am

      Info on the lost dead before “cleansing fire” fall

      G’day,
      Thank you for your gracious sharing of information and your kind reply. I tried the link you recommended (www.jesus-resurrection.info/israel-prophecy.html) but it seems to be broken.

      However, my question centred more around obtaining a clarification of the idea that, “really their dead bodies”, the bodies of the lost, will be consumed.

      Here is the quote: “And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them (really their dead bodies).” (Rev 20:9)”

      Can you please give me the info which shows that the lost will in no way be alive when the earth is being cleansed by the “cleansing fire”? I must be missing something and I hope you can please clarify.

      This is wonderful news!!! Thank you. 🙂

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  2. Avatar photo Sonflower
    February 17, 2012 @ 9:39 pm

    Our God is Love = a consuming fire….

    This is the most inspiring reading, a revelation of the truth of the eternal fire of the Spirit of YHWH, and the gift of love in Yahushua, given from our Heavenly Father, a fire which is sent as an example of purity and strength to us and to Him which we owe so much awe and worship as the outpouring of our praises of adoration and thanksgiving: for this is so much better than we deserve. I know for certain that I need not be afraid when I have gone thru the fires of affliction and have been humbled and I called upon His Name, and have repented and accepted His forgiveness and righteousness in my place, as His Spirit draws me away from love of this world and self.

    Amen

    Oprah Winfrey needs to read this.
    (Canada)

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    • Avatar photo Ray Foucher
      February 17, 2012 @ 9:39 pm

      Thank you for your thoughts. Yes, Oprah, and everyone else, needs to read and understand this message. Please help to spread it.

      Isn’t it amazing how the truth has been twisted? Our Father is described as a consuming fire. If we are going to live with Him for eternity, then we will be in the presence of that fire. Our exposure to that fire will purify our understanding of His character. Even now, as we study and understand the Word, we can begin to grasp the character of YHWH as revealed especially in the life of His Son. It is that revelation that will change us and help us to love Him and want to spend eternity with Him more than anything else.

      The lost will be consumed in a different way in that Lake of Fire experience as they see their own wrong choices and resulting characters in contrast to what they might have had. What a terrible feeling they will have when they realize that they have thrown away eternal life. We don’t want to make that mistake. Choose to love and follow Him and learn of Him every day.

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